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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 23, 2011 5:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a student review in '72

Oh, I know, I agree really, I am always skeptical of the notion that "Everything is worse nowdays" wherever it's applied, and academics is definitely one such place. I think school is much tougher now than when I went ... I'd be judged a turnip intellectually now at the schools my son has attended.

But as long as we're being contrary, I think the plagiarism detection programs are overrated also. Often, you can detect plagiarism by copying and pasting a paragraph or two into google. The programs catch more subtle cases, I suppose.

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Aug 23, 2011 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a student review in '72

yeah I graduated back in 2004 and I actually used to help roomates write papers. I remember reading one of my friend's and thinking something sounded familiar so I googled the quote...sure enough he lifted it without citation. I mean it fit in the paper perfectly but I was like "man if the quote is familiar to me and you can google it, you'd better cite it"

I actually still google things like that. It drives me nuts when I remember hearing or reading something but I can't figure out where.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 23, 2011 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a student review in '72

Everyone uses it in the sciences; and unless I am doing a writing intensive class, I simply stopped assigning the classic term paper (there are other more efficient means of teaching writing, reviewing the lit, etc., etc.).

It only takes a line or two to detect the issue; it's easy for profs to run their term papers through it, so students are starting to get the message.

As to "then and now", from having never left the field, and from both sides (three boys in or finished), the biggest difference is the web/etc allowing students to find online courses (everywhere now, yuck) that are so absurdly easy it is just a joke. Seriously--had sons do an ave of 30 min work a week for 3 credit course. Some online courses are good, but students gravitate toward the easy ones. Duh--I would have too.

That said, Cal in the 70s was tough; Cal today is tough. No real change there, in spite of my blather above. You get what you put into it, of course, and great educations can be had at most any recognized state school cross the country. But, you can get "an easy degree" much more easily today that 30 yrs ago, just due to the web, etc., info exchange, blah, blah, blah.